Comments on: National Expansion For College Football: PART IV http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/ "The Grass Ain't Blue in Georgia - The Story Behind The BCS Controversy." Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:45:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Crayton http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-160 Crayton Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:15:59 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-160 As for the logistics of these games. You have the conference championships played at neutral sites but should you not also have the conference semifinals at neutral sites to avoid giving colleges a week's notice to host a game? I suppose that is a judgment call. The same problem may arise in the 3rd and 4th rounds but these have simple solutions. For Round 3 designate 1 conference to host all games and have this alternate annually (ex. ACC 2007, 2009; SEC 2008, 2010). This way teams KNOW, win or lose, that they will host a game three weeks hence. Alternate Round 4 every 2 years (South 2007, 2008, 2011,2012; North 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014). And this way hosting a game is not a scramble or a function of rankings and previous numbers of home/away games. Plus, students can safely plan vacations knowing the schedule a full month ahead of time. Also enjoyable is the fact that mathematically at least 1 non-BCS team will make it into the BCS each year. The only change I would make is to have the regions shift Round 4 opponents. Otherwise, the West (PAC10/Big12) will near always have 4 teams in the BCS. Teams may then have a 25% chance of a cross-country trip for Round 4, but I think it would be fair for eastern (and, in the end, all) teams. Regions would then host the 4th Round 3 years on, 3 years off (or 4-on/2-off if the non-BCS teams do not host). As for the logistics of these games. You have the conference championships played at neutral sites but should you not also have the conference semifinals at neutral sites to avoid giving colleges a week’s notice to host a game? I suppose that is a judgment call.

The same problem may arise in the 3rd and 4th rounds but these have simple solutions. For Round 3 designate 1 conference to host all games and have this alternate annually (ex. ACC 2007, 2009; SEC 2008, 2010). This way teams KNOW, win or lose, that they will host a game three weeks hence.

Alternate Round 4 every 2 years (South 2007, 2008, 2011,2012; North 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014). And this way hosting a game is not a scramble or a function of rankings and previous numbers of home/away games. Plus, students can safely plan vacations knowing the schedule a full month ahead of time.

Also enjoyable is the fact that mathematically at least 1 non-BCS team will make it into the BCS each year.

The only change I would make is to have the regions shift Round 4 opponents. Otherwise, the West (PAC10/Big12) will near always have 4 teams in the BCS. Teams may then have a 25% chance of a cross-country trip for Round 4, but I think it would be fair for eastern (and, in the end, all) teams. Regions would then host the 4th Round 3 years on, 3 years off (or 4-on/2-off if the non-BCS teams do not host).

]]> By: Ed Wayner http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-74 Ed Wayner Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:08:43 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-74 I don't like a 32 team playoff. I think what the conference could do is have the 6 BCS conference go to the BCS games after securing their conference championship. Then have the runners up from these conference along with the top two non-BCS conference teams play an 8 team playoff for the final 2 BCS slots. Then when there are 8 BCS teams they would play a semifinal game the following week and a final game the week before the Super Bowl. I don’t like a 32 team playoff. I think what the conference could do is have the 6 BCS conference go to the BCS games after securing their conference championship. Then have the runners up from these conference along with the top two non-BCS conference teams play an 8 team playoff for the final 2 BCS slots. Then when there are 8 BCS teams they would play a semifinal game the following week and a final game the week before the Super Bowl.

]]> By: bcsbusters http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-59 bcsbusters Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:48:28 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-59 A great point about the fans...If the fans could ever get united they could bring this system down in a heart beat, and it wouldn't take more than a couple of games. I'm talking about a fan walkout of course. Nice points about Rutgers and I thought it was an interesting viewpoint coming from the East. In the West, Nebraska is still a team who carries some clout and I continue to watch their games regularly. I'm working on an article right now based on the viewpoints from the East vs. West. I may use some of your comments (cite you as well). I don't think Rutgers would want to leave the East. The Big-East is on the Rise and I think this conference has some new formed alliances after the recent walkout of Miami, BC and Virginia Tech. I don't see Texas leaving either. I could see Arkansas and TCU moving to the Big-12, while Baylor might move to Conference USA (If I had my way they would become part of the newly created Rocky Mountain Conference) and I can see Missou or Nebraska being the newest Big-12 member. You are a very astute college football fan. I appreciate your feedback! A great point about the fans…If the fans could ever get united they could bring this system down in a heart beat, and it wouldn’t take more than a couple of games. I’m talking about a fan walkout of course.

Nice points about Rutgers and I thought it was an interesting viewpoint coming from the East. In the West, Nebraska is still a team who carries some clout and I continue to watch their games regularly. I’m working on an article right now based on the viewpoints from the East vs. West. I may use some of your comments (cite you as well). I don’t think Rutgers would want to leave the East. The Big-East is on the Rise and I think this conference has some new formed alliances after the recent walkout of Miami, BC and Virginia Tech.

I don’t see Texas leaving either. I could see Arkansas and TCU moving to the Big-12, while Baylor might move to Conference USA (If I had my way they would become part of the newly created Rocky Mountain Conference) and I can see Missou or Nebraska being the newest Big-12 member. You are a very astute college football fan. I appreciate your feedback!

]]> By: Mike Rotem http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-56 Mike Rotem Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:41:01 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-56 First of all, this site you created is tremendous. It's amazing how the fans are not really anyone's concern or we would have had a playoff already. I believe that Rutgers will be the 12th school in the Big 10. First of all, the rating Rutgers games had last year, especially in the NY market, were record setting. The entire tri-state area got caught up in scarlet fever. If the ACC were expanding today they probably would choose Rutgers over Boston College. BC doesn't travel and the Boston market is a secondary TV market. Rutgers would bring the BTN the largest media market. It is a land grant state school like other Big 10 schools. It would bring an eastern travel partner. It has strong academics. Nebraska has a great football tradition, but does not bring a strong TV market. Nor does Missouri. I can't see Texas leaving Texas A&M. First of all, this site you created is tremendous. It’s amazing how the fans are not really anyone’s concern or we would have had a playoff already. I believe that Rutgers will be the 12th school in the Big 10. First of all, the rating Rutgers games had last year, especially in the NY market, were record setting. The entire tri-state area got caught up in scarlet fever. If the ACC were expanding today they probably would choose Rutgers over Boston College. BC doesn’t travel and the Boston market is a secondary TV market. Rutgers would bring the BTN the largest media market. It is a land grant state school like other Big 10 schools. It would bring an eastern travel partner. It has strong academics. Nebraska has a great football tradition, but does not bring a strong TV market. Nor does Missouri. I can’t see Texas leaving Texas A&M.

]]> By: bcsbusters http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-55 bcsbusters Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:57:46 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-55 Yes, you did miss something, but that is to be expected. There are FOUR brackets. The BCS Bracket involves the Top-32 teams in the country, which determines a conference champion and from there we whittle it down the the elite 8, final 4 and then the bowl match-ups. Each team is guaranteed four games. Most of it occurring in a regionalized format so fans can attend from week-to-week. The Holiday bracket involves the next 32, The NIT the next 32 and finally, the Sportsman's Bracket, which involves the final 24. As far as who hosts, if it is a conference game, the higher seed hosts. If they are even seeds within the same conference, you would look at how many home games each team has played thus far and the team with the lesser amount of home games getting the nod. If it is even from there, a predetermined X is placed in the original bracket as a tie breaker. The Brackets progress in a regionalized setting so there is really only one cross country travel date and Hurrican Katrina took care of this argument two years ago when the game was moved from Baton Rouge to Tempe on Monday of game week. It was a sellout with Tiger fans buying nearly 15,000 tickets. Every team is guaranteed four games in each bracket, with 3 regionalized non-conference games and 1 cross country travel date. There are many ways to determine who the home and away teams are, which is really just semantics. The NCAA is really good at running tournaments. The beauty of this is it is basically the same system - you will get many of the same type of match-ups we have seen for the last 100 years in college football, but now we would have a chronological sequence of events ending the chaos and finally determining on the field who the better teams in the country are via head-to-head competition. You need to read all 6 articles, with an understanding that I have yet to breakdown the NIT and Sportsman's Brackets. Yes, you did miss something, but that is to be expected. There are FOUR brackets. The BCS Bracket involves the Top-32 teams in the country, which determines a conference champion and from there we whittle it down the the elite 8, final 4 and then the bowl match-ups. Each team is guaranteed four games. Most of it occurring in a regionalized format so fans can attend from week-to-week.

The Holiday bracket involves the next 32, The NIT the next 32 and finally, the Sportsman’s Bracket, which involves the final 24.

As far as who hosts, if it is a conference game, the higher seed hosts. If they are even seeds within the same conference, you would look at how many home games each team has played thus far and the team with the lesser amount of home games getting the nod. If it is even from there, a predetermined X is placed in the original bracket as a tie breaker.

The Brackets progress in a regionalized setting so there is really only one cross country travel date and Hurrican Katrina took care of this argument two years ago when the game was moved from Baton Rouge to Tempe on Monday of game week. It was a sellout with Tiger fans buying nearly 15,000 tickets.

Every team is guaranteed four games in each bracket, with 3 regionalized non-conference games and 1 cross country travel date. There are many ways to determine who the home and away teams are, which is really just semantics. The NCAA is really good at running tournaments.

The beauty of this is it is basically the same system - you will get many of the same type of match-ups we have seen for the last 100 years in college football, but now we would have a chronological sequence of events ending the chaos and finally determining on the field who the better teams in the country are via head-to-head competition. You need to read all 6 articles, with an understanding that I have yet to breakdown the NIT and Sportsman’s Brackets.

]]> By: Foster http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-54 Foster Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:22:10 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-54 This idea is great of course, but it would seem to be completely impractical. What about the teams that don't make the playoffs? Is their season then truncated ? Scheduling these games would seem to be difficult unless you gave the higher seed home field advantage, which would be difficult to do in what are designed to be essentially conference championships when the division winners have the same record and may not have already played and thus no clear tie-breaker. Also, how do you schedule games between the teams left out of the playoffs? It would seem that your bracket would have to be much more complex and include a bracket for the lower finishing teams to setup the remaining games of their schedule. Maybe I'm just missing something. This idea is great of course, but it would seem to be completely impractical. What about the teams that don’t make the playoffs? Is their season then truncated ? Scheduling these games would seem to be difficult unless you gave the higher seed home field advantage, which would be difficult to do in what are designed to be essentially conference championships when the division winners have the same record and may not have already played and thus no clear tie-breaker. Also, how do you schedule games between the teams left out of the playoffs? It would seem that your bracket would have to be much more complex and include a bracket for the lower finishing teams to setup the remaining games of their schedule. Maybe I’m just missing something.

]]> By: BCSBusters: Week #2 Match-ups in the Big-Televin (12) « BCSBusters: ” History Behind The BCS” - Inside College Football http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-38 BCSBusters: Week #2 Match-ups in the Big-Televin (12) « BCSBusters: ” History Behind The BCS” - Inside College Football Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:14:32 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-38 [...] - it isn’t much of a stretch in adding them to the conference. Why have I chosen to do this? See for yourself! By the way, Penn State will shake down the thunder in this one. Please tell me again why we fired [...] [...] - it isn’t much of a stretch in adding them to the conference. Why have I chosen to do this? See for yourself! By the way, Penn State will shake down the thunder in this one. Please tell me again why we fired [...]

]]> By: bcsbusters http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-20 bcsbusters Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:09:42 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-20 Zach, Two things. One, their is a bye week for this very purpose. The only draw back would be the potential for a 14 week season, which isn't the end of the world because to date...in the last 5 years...over 15 schools have played a 14 game season, including both Oklahoma and Florida last season. Two, you need to remember that there are three other brackets occurring at the same time as the BCSBusters bracket. Schools like UCLA, Iowa, Tennessee, Florida State, Miami, Boston College (etc) that did not make the championship BCS Bracket in the example I provided (based on the 2006 season results) would be involved in the Holiday bracket. These teams would be aligned with other programs involved in the WAC, MAC, C-USA (which is now the Rocky MTN Conference), MAC and Sun-Belt Conferences. I don't have time to break out the whole scenario this week as I am scouting the Northwest and Nor-PAC showcase amatuer baseball tournaments this week, but will try to give a total picture example in the next couple weeks when things calm down a little for me. Trust, me...when I say I have considered ALL limiting factors preventing a playoff, of which your scenario is definently one of them, I mean I have considered all limiting factors and believe I have answered them within my BCSBusters playoff proposal. Zach,

Two things. One, their is a bye week for this very purpose. The only draw back would be the potential for a 14 week season, which isn’t the end of the world because to date…in the last 5 years…over 15 schools have played a 14 game season, including both Oklahoma and Florida last season.

Two, you need to remember that there are three other brackets occurring at the same time as the BCSBusters bracket. Schools like UCLA, Iowa, Tennessee, Florida State, Miami, Boston College (etc) that did not make the championship BCS Bracket in the example I provided (based on the 2006 season results) would be involved in the Holiday bracket. These teams would be aligned with other programs involved in the WAC, MAC, C-USA (which is now the Rocky MTN Conference), MAC and Sun-Belt Conferences.

I don’t have time to break out the whole scenario this week as I am scouting the Northwest and Nor-PAC showcase amatuer baseball tournaments this week, but will try to give a total picture example in the next couple weeks when things calm down a little for me. Trust, me…when I say I have considered ALL limiting factors preventing a playoff, of which your scenario is definently one of them, I mean I have considered all limiting factors and believe I have answered them within my BCSBusters playoff proposal.

]]> By: Zach http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-19 Zach Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:25:08 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-19 What about the teams that get the guaranteed paydays in September by travelling to larger schools, wouldn't this prevent them from making any money? Don't those schools need that $100K payout? What about the teams that get the guaranteed paydays in September by travelling to larger schools, wouldn’t this prevent them from making any money? Don’t those schools need that $100K payout?

]]> By: bcsbusters http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-17 bcsbusters Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:21:05 +0000 http://bcsbusters.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/national-expansion-for-college-football-part-iv/#comment-17 What about ND's fans the claim they will lose money? Is Florida, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, USC, Texas, Oklahoma or Miami losing money? The dirty little secret in college football is that Notre Dame was the ring leader in organizing the CFA movement. And because of this unionized alliance they are protected in the BCS, which is why they are the greatest of all the 1000-pound Gorillas. The hypocrisy of the system is that coaches all over the country talk about teamwork, cooperation and sportsmanship - A Team First Attitude - and yet the administrators who govern the sport can't come together and fix this system. The rift between the large schools and small schools dates back to the creation of the CFA. Fan's can fix this by a walk-out, but most fans are unaware of the history behind the controversy, which is the purpose of my book, blog and website. What about ND’s fans the claim they will lose money? Is Florida, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, USC, Texas, Oklahoma or Miami losing money? The dirty little secret in college football is that Notre Dame was the ring leader in organizing the CFA movement. And because of this unionized alliance they are protected in the BCS, which is why they are the greatest of all the 1000-pound Gorillas. The hypocrisy of the system is that coaches all over the country talk about teamwork, cooperation and sportsmanship - A Team First Attitude - and yet the administrators who govern the sport can’t come together and fix this system. The rift between the large schools and small schools dates back to the creation of the CFA. Fan’s can fix this by a walk-out, but most fans are unaware of the history behind the controversy, which is the purpose of my book, blog and website.

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